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Karena Dawn

Karena Dawn is the co-founder of Tone It Up, host of The Big Silence podcast and author of the memoir The Big Silence, and a mental health advocate who serves on the board of advisors for NAMI.

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Ep. 132: How Fitness Supports Mental Health: Karena Dawn's Story

Karena Dawn, co-founder of Tone It Up and host of The Big Silence podcast, sits down with Nikkiey Stott for the most personal conversation the show has had about mental health. Karena grew up in the 80s and 90s with a mother diagnosed with schizophrenia, at a time when no one talked about mental illness. She describes hiding what was happening at home, going through her own teenage depression, surviving a suicide attempt, and the moment in her early twenties when she decided her life had to change. She traded club nights for sunrise bike rides, runs and ocean swims, trained for a triathlon, and says fitness is what pulled her out of the dark.

From there the two get practical. Karena explains why the stigma runs so deep, shares the story of her mother's change of heart in her final days, and lays out the resources she points people to, including the anonymous Crisis Text Line, NAMI support groups, and The Big Silence's therapy scholarship. She also covers the basics she leans on: water, gut health, moving your body, getting outside, and meditation that can be as simple as five deep breaths.

Nikkiey talks about restarting therapy this year and about how hard it was to ease back into lifting and being around people after two weeks sick with the flu. They close with what to say if you are struggling in silence, and how to check in on someone you love without judgment.

  • Signing up and committing to something hard, like a race, makes you do the things you don't want to do, and following through is how Karena started believing in herself.
  • Think of therapy as a gym for your brain; a good therapist asks questions that help you reach your own conclusions rather than handing you advice.
  • Start with the basics for your mental health: drink water, look after your gut health, and move your body.
  • If you have even a little energy on a hard day, step outside, get some sunshine or just be in nature.
  • Meditation does not have to be done perfectly; it can be as simple as closing your eyes and taking five deep breaths.

In Karena's words

  • I don't know if it's because we're getting older and we're more aware of why we really work out, because it's not necessarily the aesthetic

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  • I traded Hollywood club nights for sunrise bike rides and runs and ocean swims. And that was my therapy.

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  • I know that sometimes it's more work to get to the other side than to stay where you are, but it's worth it on the other side.

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Questions Karena helps answer

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  • Women's Health & Aging

    Does lifting weights help your mental health?

    Yes. On The WarriorBabe Show, Nikkiey explains that lifting gives the stress your body carries somewhere to go, triggers endorphins she calls the brain's natural antidepressants, and builds confidence every time you lift heavier. She also cautions that not every way of exercising is good for your mind, especially when your training is driven by guilt.

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Common questions

How does exercise help mental health?

Karena points to the happy hormones you get from working out, and says taking the best care you can of your body also reduces stress. Both she and Nikkiey notice their mood declines after just a few days without moving.

Where can I start if I'm struggling with my mental health but don't know who to talk to?

Karena suggests the anonymous Crisis Text Line, where you text HELLO to 741741 to reach a counselor 24/7. She also recommends NAMI support groups, the resources page at The Big Silence, and its Therapy for All program, which offers therapy scholarships.

How can I help a friend or family member who seems to be struggling?

If you notice their habits changing, check in with absolutely no judgment, ask how they're doing, and listen, because most people want to be heard. Karena says you're not there to be their counselor; ask how you can help and look at resources together.

Why is there still so much stigma around mental health?

Karena describes it as intergenerational: older generations were taught not to talk about it, while kids and teenagers today are talking about it more normally. She says much of it comes down to fear of how you'll be perceived and judged.

Do I need to meditate a certain way for it to work?

No. Karena says many people think they're not doing it right, but meditation is just breathing, and it can be as simple as sitting with your eyes closed and taking five deep breaths.

Topics Karena Dawn covered